there's a good side and bad side to the game just like Neil pointed out.


Ryan missed some points. It's not about manipulation and deceiving women but there are persuasion and influence tactics involved. But with anything in life there is some form of persuasion.

The good is men becoming better with women and accepting new roles and attitudes and adopting new behaviors. Otherwise you end up with depressed men with a bitterness towards women after their girlfriend dumps them and they find it hard to talk to another woman.

The bad I've seen from the community is the snobby and judgemental attitudes I've seen arise. Guys telling guys not to date anyone but 8's through 10's. Guys telling guys not to befriend fat girls because they lower your value. Guys giving guys tips on stealing or sleeping women in committed relationships. And guys referring to the majority of guys outside of the community as AFC! This in no way is helping men become better. It's only putting a black eye on the community. We don't need this. We need men to step up and be men, not boys pretending to be men. As much as I defend the community I also wont turn a blind eye to some of the darkness within. Good post though.