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A new friend asked me how I save money for travel. I get this question a lot, in different forms: how did I buy a Ducati? How can I afford not to work (people assume that because I don’t have a job that I don’t work)? How do I travel constantly?

These questions stab at the situation, but don’t quite skewer the meat of the issue. A more useful question would be: "How do you manage your finances such that you’re able to do whatever you want?"

The reason this question is a lot more meaningful is because it takes into account both sides of the invisible see-saw. People notice the things that I spend money on, but it’s easy to ignore the things I don’t spend money on. Let’s dig into a few:

- I don’t buy clothes. I bought an $89 pair of pants last month, which replaced the single pair of pants I’ve owned since 2009. I have two t-shirts and two pairs of underwear. That’s my wardrobe. Years ago I went clothes shopping almost weekly, rarely leaving without at least one hundred dollars worth of clothes (usually Cavalli jeans or shirts). Even if you’re not a total idiot like I was, your bottomwear budget is probably higher than $44.50 per year.

- I don’t buy alcohol. I’m told that most people spend hundreds of dollars per month on alcohol. I find that nearly impossible to comprehend, but so many people have corroborated it, that I’m resigned to take it as fact.

- I have no debt. Servicing debt makes no sense at all. If you can’t afford to buy the car you want in cash, then you shouldn’t buy it. It’s a depreciating asset. I’d rough it on the bus for a couple months while saving money and then buy a motorcycle or crappy $1000 car.

- I have no TV. The purchase price of the TV is mostly irrelevant, but I understand that monthly cable/satellite costs can be upwards of one hundred dollars.

- Oh yeah, I don’t pay (much) rent. I actually do pay for a parking spot for the RV now, but that costs me only $275 per month.

These apparent occurrences of thrift clash with other ways I spend money. I pay $110 a month to be a member of a spa in San Francisco, because RV showering leaves a lot to be desired. I travel nearly constantly (10 countries in the past month, for example). I’m seriously contemplating the purchase of $1000 headphones. I have a nice motorcycle.

In other words, I polarize my purchases. This is because I choose what to buy with value and utility in mind. Most people buy things– subconsciously, at least– in order to create a coherent image of status.

Think about it– a middle class family generally has middle class everything. Middle class cars like Hondas or Fords. Middle class clothes like Gap and Abercrombie. Middle class houses. Middle class restaurants.

How can this possibly make sense? Is there some mysterious phenomenon that causes people to exclusively lap up middle class goodness as soon as they get their first taste of it? Of course not– devoid of any serious thought on the subject, people slide into convenient socioeconomic molds.

If Middle Class Marvin wants a Ferrari, he won’t figure out how to buy a Ferrari. He’ll think he has to raise his ENTIRE living situation up to the level that would normally count a Ferrari amongst its trappings. That’s a seriously heavy ball and chain to drag around.

Instead, it’s better to ruthlessly cut away expenses that aren’t important to you, and allow yourself to spend money on things that do matter to you. That means that, if necessary, you give up on the "nice-to-haves" in favor of the "desperately-wants".

My "desperately-wants" are mainly travel and technology. I consume in those categories far above average for my relatively-low income bracket. When faced with this, people assume that I must be rich. But they don’t realize that I have one pair of pants and have never bought an alcoholic beverage. If you were to nix, as I have, all of the items that I listed above, you’d have an additional $1275 per month to spend on things that you actually care about (clothes: $50, alcohol: $300, debt interest: $100, TV: $100, rent: $725).

How you acquire these "desperately-wants" is important, too. Fellow passengers on a recent two-week cruise couldn’t fathom how five youngsters could afford to pay, and I quote, "three thousand dollars for a cruise, plus drinks". We didn’t; each of us paid less than seven hundred dollars and only one of us bought drinks.

We shop efficiently, trying to make our "desperately-wants" purchases the lowest possible price for the best possible item.

When I shopped for my first motorcycle, I ended up buying a 2003 Ducati Monster 620. Since Ducati is sometimes considered the Ferrari of the motorcycle world, people wondered out loud how I could afford such an expensive motorcycle. What they didn’t realize, until I told them, is that I waited a month looking for the best deal on it, and paid only $2500. Most entry level bikes that couldn’t keep up with the Ducati, and wouldn’t turn a single head, cost more than that new OR used.

If Todd hadn’t reduced my sweet motorcycle into a metal abstract-art sculpture, I could have sold it for at least a thousand more than I paid for it. That’s the benefit of buying premium items at discount prices– they actually end up being better than free because you pay under-market value and they end up holding their market value well, due to their quality. Six months ago I bought an $875 lens for my camera; yesterday I sold it for $885.

So, to get back to the initial question: how do I do a manage my finances to do whatever I want? I do it by making sure that my finances are only obligated to things that I REALLY want, and I give those purchases the consideration and patience they deserve.

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Nick
Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 7:44 am

I drive a paid off Porsche Cayman and a shitty 98 Dodge Neon for the winter.

No payments is very nice, but I think what you’re trying to say here is that you should spend freely on the things you love and cut costs ruthlessly on things that you don’t care about.

The problem is, too many people buy things because of what they say to others. Seriously, who gives a shit?

Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 8:53 am

I’ll dissent with you on your comment on debt. You say “I have no debt. Servicing debt makes no sense at all. If you can’t afford to buy the car you want in cash, then you shouldn’t buy it. It’s a depreciating asset.”

To me I don’t view cars or HOUSES as “assets” or “investments”. I don’t care about “owning” the car or the roof over my head. What I want is the convenience and/or pleasure derived from using the item. When I get a car I’m not thinking about terms like depreciation, resale value, etc etc.

On debt, for me it is only bad in so far as it 1. Restricts your cash flow and 2. If you cannot service it. If you are not destitute, you have some cashflow, and a modest emergency fund (doesn’t even have to be that big), there’s nothing inherently wrong with debt.

I realize this is contrary to conventional wisdom.

The reason I’m lax on debt is because I think if one is cultivating all areas of their lives, they’ll be healthy (no expensive hospital bills), they’ll have solid relationships (friends to help in times of need), etc. etc.


Michael
Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 9:04 am

Tynan: Good and creative point on how most of us seem to fall into “socially expected spending and consuming patterns (like middle class everything) and do not realize we have the freedom to stretch that range up or down on different items (or categories) depending on what we find important.

Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 9:08 am

hundreds of dollars per month on alcool? I hope that’s not what *most* people spend :)

Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 9:37 am

I had a friend who was spending $100+ on alcohol and another $70+ on Starbucks every month…or $2040 a year. He has a decent job, but he fails to realize that he was spending nearly 10% of his NET income($40K gross income minus lots of taxes)on purely “luxury” items. Its crazy to think that 10% of his labor was going to support alcohol and caffeine intake :(


Ian
Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 9:48 am

Great essay. As a middle class American, I
see most of my middle class peers and
colleagues doing illogical things like
getting a $2,000 bonus at work and then,
days later, rushing out to buy a new Jetta,
even though the one they have is three
years old and has 18,000 miles. I am the
only white collar guy I know who buys a
$40 pair of khaki Carhartts and keeps
them for more than a decade. Frivolous
spending and consumption without con-
templation is inexcusable.


patrick
Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 10:08 am

What I’m curious about is how you would project a high status image if you wanted to, and could it be done for cheap. How much would it cost to look like you’re making bank,and what kind of stuff would you have to have. In other words- is it possible to look high status on a low budget, and what would you have to buy and what would you have to do. Just curious what your thoughts are.

And yes, I’m sure it’s better not to worry about such things and to be a minimalist. I’m just curious if you wanted to project a high status image for cheap how you would go about doing it.


Rusty Shackleford
Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 10:08 am

I wholeheartedly agree with your outlook on buying big-ticket items you can turn around for as much or more than you paid for them. But I don’t think it only applies to premium items: You just have to buy any given thing at the point where it can’t really depreciate much more. I bought my first motorcycle (1986 Kawasaki 454 LTD, nothing fancy) for $1000 and turned it around for $1200 three years later with several thousand more miles on it. It wasn’t a premium item, but I bought in at a point where it couldn’t really get much cheaper as long as it continued to run and didn’t (like your first Ducati) turn into scrap metal. In college, some friends and I got a dumpy hot tub for free on Craigslist, then sold it for a couple hundred bucks when we moved out of our house. You can turn around anything without taking a huge loss if you buy in at the right point.


Amy Putkonen
Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 11:33 am

You are awesome, Tynan. This is so right on! Enjoying your TaskSmash, although I may need to take out a restraining order for it’s harassment of my slack days! Lol… Shhhheeesh!


Felipe
Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 11:57 am

Most people that do this type of things are not capable of seriously growing their income (including Tynan) – but I agree it’s a better way than the average way.


anony-mouse
Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 12:29 pm

Hey tynan have you thought about getting a gym membership instead of spa? That way you can swim, exercise and all (and still shower). I am sure the prices are pretty similar compared to the spa.

Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 2:29 pm

Tynan, how do you meet all these cool people who share your lifestyle? I have a similar low-income/high freedom life, and I find it easy to meet people who have weekdays off, but hard to meet people who can actually skip town for a month if they feel like it.

Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 2:47 pm

A great post. So many lessons. Food is another interesting area. Basic meals I treat frugally, but I spend well on top restaurants as well.


Andy
Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 3:27 pm

Nice post Tynan. These are things I always do wonder about your life. You’ve mentioned parts of it before, but you’ve summed it up here well. Your writing is getting really good. Consistent blogging!

Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 3:43 pm

I am loving the idea of riding a motorcycle all over North America. I want what you have!? Envy! (Bad)

Anyway I’m a dating coach, and when guys see my tiny apartment they are surprised. I don’t really care about having a big luxurious place at this point. I would rather save money for travel. That is far more exciting to me. Though I’m also addicted to tech.

Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 8:12 pm

I’ll admit it: I do spend a few hundred $$ a month on alcohol. But I’m really into craft beers and trying new things, so it’s definitely something I consciously spend on. I happen to hate owning cars, so I don’t own one currently and don’t shell out the monthly payments for that.

Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 9:15 pm

Nice post! Completely agree with buying a few high quality goods (whether physical items or experiences) and cutting the rest ruthlessly.

What kind of space did you end up renting, BTW?

Aug 2nd, 2011 @ 10:24 pm

For as long as I can remember, I’ve always only wanted the essentials which is why this post is perfect on this day.

What I’ve been doing for the last 10 years is to only keep about as much as I can carry in a back pack. I’m not completely there but I’m certainly getting close.

I don’t have a TV and a lot of clothes, like you, because I can easily just wash them and my computer is entertainment and work.

Right now, I pretty much have a laptop, couple changes of clothes, books and a few gadgets.

I’ve only got 3 or 4 items I want to purchase in the future which includes a pocket projector and a new camera – other than that, I’m focusing on saving for travel and other expenses rather than blowing money going out to eat all the time and spending it on items I don’t really need.

I think what people don’t want to do is make sacrifices.

Think about it. Want to go on a round the world trip? Save for a few years – you’ll grind through not doing a whole lot in terms of going out and buying new items but you WILL be able to do the trip in due time if you focus and willing to make that temporary sacrifice.

I think it’s vitally important to break down everything into the essentials and then find gadgets that basically replace multiple items at once. A laptop can be your TV, phone, entertainment, work and more.

Anyway, awesome post man, can’t wait to get out there and do a lot more travel. Recently got back from Japan and Thailand, I’ve got the itch for travel!

Aug 3rd, 2011 @ 5:17 am

Nice one! I especially like the start, here is a better question..

Aug 4th, 2011 @ 9:08 pm

I’ve been reading through loads of your material over the past day and I’m sold on trying the RV lifestyle. But in everything I’ve read you haven’t mentioned laundry!

Do you use a combo of coin laundry and family/friends? With only four shirts I imagine you’re doing laundry at least once per week. Thanks!


Phillip
Aug 5th, 2011 @ 10:36 am

I enjoyed your post, I too am frugal with owning “stuff”.

“Own only what you can carry with you; know language, know countries,
know people. Let your memory be your travel bag.” – Alexander Solzhenitsyn


andrew
Aug 6th, 2011 @ 3:40 am

one of the best posts so far, i dunno how people use up this much money on stupid shit. other points
- alot of people leave there ac or heater on for too long, ac and heater consume a shitload of electricity.

- automobiles and gasoline i must say are HUGE. buy a used car from 4 years ago, and you can eaisly get similar quality for more than half off, its crazy, as for gasoline, driving at 40 miles per hour on the highway DOUBLES your mpg on most cars.

by far the biggest is debt. seriously DONT buy things you can afford, its stupid. like honestly its not worth it EVER and i mean EVER. for example for college to get a loan for 25k and pay 250 dollars a month i would have had to pay over 40k!!!!!!in interests WTF??? seriously that is stupid. debt is by far the biggest killer.

also tynan yes, ive done the math, if u take 14 day cruises for 500-1000 dollars a trip it is by the most affordable luxury lifestyle, its pretty amazing. I love cruises for this reason. As for alcohol most cruises offer a 20-40 dollar a day coupon for infinite drinks under a certain value. Which is amazing if you DO drink. also on cruises most of the excursions are overpriced.

my tips to saving money.

Bike, no seriously, bike. In most cities there is soooo much traffic during comute times that biking is equaly fast, sometimes faster. Also biking( i mean with pedals) is good for your health and as u get better you’ll only get to where you want to go faster.

“what about when i want to go somewhere far” rent a car, renting a car is very cheap imo, espcially if ur not travelling inter state very often, also if u use american express u get full insurance( at least at hertz i believe) which saves u even MORE money. furthermore, usually you don’t go far alone, so you can split the cost with friends/family, or use a friends/family’ members car.

don’t leave in downtown or somewhere expensive. Its stupid, just living 5-10 blocks away from city center you can save upwards of 20%, its pretty crazy.

last but not least the biggest one is tynan final point. Just cause one aspect of your life is “upper class” the rest doesnt have to be. If you like eating in gourmet resturants (like i do) you don’t have to live in a big house, have a nice car, or dress with nice clothes.

Aug 6th, 2011 @ 7:33 pm

wow I finally got it, all of it Amazing

Read the game. tried the moves to absolute success

live the life of truth. and complete non inhibition.

gave away posessions now have a fishing boat and a full life, like waking up for the first time.
looking forward to experiancing the best part of this lifetime.
Thanks TYNAN for the small but hugely significant part you played

Aug 9th, 2011 @ 5:19 pm

People generally don’t understand what their money actually does to their state of mind, and perspective of reality.

Here’s what really happens when you buy things: http://two.cedonulli.com/2011/08/the-biggest-con/

Aug 11th, 2011 @ 10:42 am

Great Article thanks for publishing it. I am with you on knowing your purchases. I have owned 15 cars in 15 years and made significant money on selling 5 of them, broke even on after taxes on 6 of them, and lost on 4 of them. But the gains cleared the costs of the losts and I got to enjoy everything from classic muscle cars, jeeps, trucks, and vette’s (of course the waste of gas has kept me out of this for a while now) – love my 2002 Insight as my motorcycles can’t even get that good of gas mileage

Aug 11th, 2011 @ 10:43 am

Great Article thanks for publishing it. I am with you on knowing your purchases. I have owned 15 cars in 15 years and made significant money on selling 5 of them, broke even on after taxes on 6 of them, and lost on 4 of them. But the gains cleared the costs of the losts and I got to enjoy everything from classic muscle cars, jeeps, trucks, and vette’s (of course the waste of gas has kept me out of this for a while now) – love my 2002 Insight as my motorcycle can’t even get that good of gas mileage


clouds
Aug 14th, 2011 @ 6:39 pm

As Will Smith once said, “People buy things they don’t want, with money they don’t have, to impress people they don’t like.”


Fabian
Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:01 am

You said: “Get an invite to my beta social productivity web app, TaskSmash. Just email me a link to a comment you’ve left on Ramit’s site (to iwtytbr (a@t) tynan.net ) and I’ll reply with an invite good for you and a friend.”

I did but I didn’t get an invitation :-(((

Please don’t promise things if you won’t deliver afterwards…

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Tim
Oct 9th, 2011 @ 6:46 pm

I really like this philosophy, and what a great bike!!!

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