Once in a while people who meet me give me the feedback that they're surprised that I'm actually a real person who doesn't just work 24/7. A challenge of being a public writer is balancing giving useful information versus giving an accurate picture.
I think a lot of the confusion comes from a post I wrote six years ago called Love Work. I just re-read the post and it brings me right back to that time in my life. I really was working about twelve hours a day and loving it. In some ways I miss those days. I remember being in my RV almost all day, eating the same food every day, and making huge progress on Sett.
That period of time was very important for me because before then I didn't know if I could work hard or not. I thought that I could, but I had no proof, and I felt that in some key ways I was lagging behind my peers whom I admired. I also had a tremendous amount of work that needed to be done, so it felt great to cut right through it.
By the time we wound down Sett, I was burnt out. Not from hard work, but from working on something that I didn't feel would succeed. I forced myself to do it for a while because I knew that it was important to cultivate the ability to work hard, and if I quit early I wouldn't be able to know whether I quit because I couldn't work hard or because I had made the right decision to stop working on something that was unlikely to succeed.
I often talk about things that are suboptimal in the short term, but optimal in the long term. Realistically I probably worked on Sett for almost a year longer than I should have. But by doing so I gained incontrovertible evidence that I could work at maximum output for an extended period of time on something. That was very valuable to me.
The lasting effect of those years is that now when it's time to work, I just work. I don't procrastinate, get distracted, quit early, or even negotiate with myself in my head. I just get things done. In the past when I would evaluate an idea, there would be a big question mark next to my ability to execute. Now I don't even think about that part, as I know with certainty that I can perform at my best as much as is necessary.
After Sett wound down, my next focus was efficiency. I spent a long time automating nearly everything in my life (including most of my next business, CruiseSheet), building routines, and eliminating unnecessary obligations and responsibilities. And while many of those things, especially CruiseSheet, required weeks or months of extreme work, nothing has packed my schedule like Sett did.
My life situation has changed a lot in the six years since I wrote that post, too. At this point, due to businesses and investments doing well and fixing my life costs by investing in a condo, I don't have to work any more. Even if I stopped coaching and putting on live events, I could live a comfortable middle class life (with a few upper-class oddities like the island) forever.
As a result, my motivation has changed a bit. Before I really wanted to "make it". Now I just want to make sure my time is being spent well. Of course, I still love work, so I'm always hungry to get things done.
My challenges now are pushing my comfort zone and making sure I'm working on the right things. I was nervous to take on a large batch of coaching clients a year ago and was also nervous to throw my first event earlier this month. I intentionally restrict myself from taking on new projects because I want to give myself space to throw myself at the right project next. At this point constant work for work's sake would serve primarily as a distraction.
So how hard do I work these days? I'm certainly not putting in twelve hour days anymore, at least not regularly. Every morning I make a list of stuff that needs to get done and I do it, generally first thing. My favorite days are days where I have a lot to do, especially if it's programming. I think a lot about the output I want to produce and make sure I do what it takes to get it done.
My next priority after those necessary things is spending time with my friends. I just did an amazing weeklong tea trip with my friend Leo and we probably averaged 2-3 hours of work per day (but both got tons of stuff done). If I'm by myself I tend to spend my free time working on things that aren't so important like random optimizations or house projects. I also spend a lot of time brainstorming on what I'll do next. I have a few ideas and I explore them a bit on most days.
Five years ago it was important for me to work just for work's sake. I needed desperately to build that skill, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. Now I'm so comfortable working that working for work's sake would be a convenient way for me to avoid the harder task of expanding my comfort zone and thinking long term about what comes next. If you have important work that needs to be done, my advice from many years past still applies. If you want to be a high performer, it's critical to be able to comfortably work crazy hours without stress. If you're already able to do that, your most important work may be on how to determine where to focus that energy.
So hopefully that all paints a clearer picture. Most days I have a few hours of very important work, which I always do quickly and efficiently. I then spend as much time as possible with people I'm close to. Most of the remainder of my time is spent on non-critical work. I also waste a little time reading reddit and hacker news and doing crosswords, but I feel like that's a luxury I can afford now.
What's right for me may not be right for you. I'd be surprised if anyone's ideal life path didn't include a period of intense work, but I'd also be surprised if it was right for anyone to do that forever. As always, the key is to evaluate one's life with a critical eye and to do what's right for you at the right time.
Photo is the Chain Bridge at night in Budapest. I never get over how beautiful this city is!
I'm tentatively planning on doing another event this summer, maybe in June. I've gotten a lot of great feedback from the attendees of the first one, so this one should be even better.
Marumoto in Budapest, the best Japanese tea house outside of Japan, is closing forever on Tuesday. I'll be there early Monday with some friends for one last matcha. Come by and say hi!
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Hey herbal, good post, specially that I have been trying to figure out how much and if it is full potential work that I do. Been wondering and I hate to admit it but I am finally about to start doing that grown up thing again but push myself as talked about before. Uggh, I am so lazy looking towards it but I know I will enjoy this test. Hope you well and take care, holla when in Nola!
I like this thought about how working really hard for awhile made it so you don't procrastinate on work anymore – even if what you were working on wasn't the success you expected it to be.
I had an experience like this when I was working on a Facebook app ten years ago. I was totally burnt out from working with other people, but I desperately wanted to succeed building this app, so I worked incredibly hard. Even though it didn't succeed, it reminded me that I actually could work on something – and that I could love the process as well.
Nice post! Are you open to talk about all the investments you're involved with? I feel like financial independence is an important part to living a flexible low stress life.
Open to it, but besides crypto they aren't available to the public. Actually working on finding a way to share them with people.
Trying to figure out how you've made money. You said Sett didn't work out...did your parents give you seed money for your investments? Not trying to be nosy but would love to have some concrete idea how you make a living.
I've written 6 books, have been running CruiseSheet (linked in article) for a few years, and have been coaching people seriously for over a year.
Thanks! I only knew about the book about getting girls to chase you. :)
I think there's a blog post in the community section that details how Tynan makes his money. Also know that around 5 years ago Tynan only made around $2k per month, so his efforts have definitely paid off
I think that some might be surprised to hear how much I sleep and how important it is to me. I average right around eight hours per day (tracked for a few months), and prioritize sleep very strongly, even over most work.
Once ten pm comes around, I have four options for things I'm allowed to do: I can play violin, read a book, work, or sleep. Computer is off at midnight every day, at which point I usually read for an hour or two, and then go to sleep.
The other night I was tired at ten, but I was really excited about my work so I tried to push through and keep at it. I was stuck trying to fix something, but I managed to try five or ten solutions out before getting in bed. At the time, it felt like a good choice.
I woke up the next morning, took one look at the code, and spotted the solution instantly. Within five minutes it was fixed. Once is a fluke, but I've noticed this pattern over and over again with work when I'm tired-- it feels like I'm working, but often I'm just spinning my wheels.
I might have cracked the procrastination nut.
One of the things that's plagued me for years is that a heavy, intense period of doing lots of good stuff is frequently followed by a crash.
The crash partially negates the gains from having a good period. If you put in an excellent, intense four days of creative work, that's good. But if you can't look at your work and projects for half a week afterwards, you negate some of that progress as compared to just slowly, steadily putting in time.
What's worse is that, for me, the crashes tended to be full-on, nothing-valuable-happening. I don't mean not working. I mean nothing valuable. When I'd crash, I'd usually not be reading good books, spending time in nature on the beach, or whatever. It'd be more like getting into high stimulation distraction, where it sucks your time without giving you anything back. Without even recharging you, even.
So, I started looking at how crashes come on.