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EPSN5886 After reading the E-Myth Revisited I’ve become a lot more attuned to the minor details of customer service, the subtle cues that define the experience of visiting a store. E-Myth says to script and specify these things rather than leave them up to chance, and I’m beginning to see why.

Annie and I went to the Sony Store, where I bought a Vaio P laptop. I need a new laptop, and it’s one of the ones I’m considering, so I figured I’d buy it and return it if I didn’t like it.

The sales rep who approached me was a genuinely cheerful and earnest girl with an Argentinean accent. She came up to us we were checking out the ebook readers (which I love, by the way), she helpfully  demonstrated the features and answered questions well.

So far so good.

Then, abruptly, as I was trying out some of the functions, she asked, "Are you going to buy it?"

Too eager. She was concerned about her commission, not me.

We moved on to the laptop and I said I’d take it. She said she’d go to the back and get it for me and ended by saying, "You’ll wait here, right?"

Again, too eager.

To make things worse, I was handed off to another salesman with no explanation, who seemed to generally resent me for buying a laptop.

After the Sony store we went to a tea shop. Both of us noticed how the tea bags were thrown into the teacup, rather than carefully placed there. The cups filled halfway with water and then we were asked if we wanted more. It’s water! It’s free! Just fill it up. They sold high end green tea, but steeped it in boiling water instead of the 80 degrees celcius it’s meant to be steeped in.

Last night we went to a vegan restaurant called Bonny’s. Starving, we were dying for food and everything on the menu looked good. I was eager to love the restaurant. I ordered the lentil burger, which came with "our own white and blue corn tortilla chips" covered in an "avalanche of salsa and avocado". The food was good, especially the salad, but the chips were clearly just store bought chips, some of which were artificially dyed red, and the "avalanche" only included a few tiny slivers of avocado. We were well fed, but couldn’t help feeling like the menu was a bit dishonest.

Are these big deals?

To me, no. I still bought the laptop, the tea was excellent, and dinner was good enough. These aren’t examples of colossal failure or poor customer service as much as they are examples of opportunities for the company to make me love them.

What if the tea shop filled my glass fully with the right temperature water, and the barista put the tea bag into the tea cup as if she cared? What if the POLICY of the company was for her to then come bring more hot water, without me asking, so that I could resteep my tea? I’d probably be raving about it, and would have stopped there when we passed by the next day.

What if Bonnie’s chips really were home made, as the menu implied, and I really was given an avalanche of avocado, one of my favorite foods? I’d be eating there tonight instead of at Aux Vivres, a restaurant whose dishes are even better than they sound on the menu.

The moral of the story? Little things matter, especially if you subscribe to the idea that what you’re really selling is an experience, not a product. You can get to "great" without worrying about the details, but probably not to excellent.


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There are 22 Comments.


Brian
May 30th, 2009 @ 12:56 am

I take it you rearranged the keys on your new computer. That was I don’t like, I read your Dvorak post, decided to try it and I broke a key on both my keyboards. So I hate replacing a key everytime I type. I’m actually considering changing back, I enjoyed (kind of) the learning curve, though it’s hilarious but I hate not being versatile.

May 30th, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Whoa….I haven’t check your website for a while and now find out it’s a completely new lay out.

Looks like. Although I miss the hat…

May 31st, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

How are you liking the Vaio P? I bought one myself to replace my heavy macbook 13inch. I like the ultra-portability, GPS, stuff like that but ultimately I returned it. The screen and keyboard are just too tiny and cramped for me to be productive on the machine. I thought I could sacrifice those things for the portability but for me, it was just unrealistic.


Patrick
Jun 1st, 2009 @ 5:36 am

I read this, and thought of a detail that could make your new site layout excellent. In the sidebar, under “Featured In” I started clicking on the gray logos, looking for the specific places you’ve been featured. I think it’d be cool if you sliced up that image and turned each logo into links. The site’s obviously great without it though.

Maybe one issue businesses run into is this: it’s hard to notice what details stick out to the customer if you look at your business from the point of view of the owner. I doubt it would have occurred to you that a reader might misconstrue those gray logos as clickable links to your media coverage.

In the same way, I doubt it occurred to any of the businesses you mentioned that these things would stick out to customers.

Jun 1st, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

Tynan I agree with the idea behind this post, at least I do if I understood it correctly.

I think however that it is important to mention customer service is often a direct reflection of how the company treats it’s employees.

I remember one place I used to work at where I was very happy to be working and would often go above and beyond to help out customers because I enjoyed the job. After a while we got a new manager and the company started showing how little they cared about employees. I was no longer excited to work there and just did the bare minimum to make sure I got my pay check. Eventually I realized just doing a job for the pay instead of because I loved the work was not for me and I quit on the spot.

I am sure there are many other reasons that people wouldn’t put there all into there work but that is a big one for me and wanted to point it out even if people disagree.

Jun 2nd, 2009 @ 7:14 am

Hey Ty,

You should check out Zimmerman’s guide to great service. He really does say it best in that book.

Paraphrasing him, “Your customers do give you feedback when they don’t like something, by taking their money elsewhere.”

I think that instead of just going away unhappy, we should open our mouth and say “this is what I think, and how it can be improved.” I don’t think there is anything wrong with it. On the other hand, if it’s just a criticism without a proposed solution, it’s not good, such as “Your food sucks, quit.”


Magnus
Jun 3rd, 2009 @ 6:45 am

You realise the solution – all you have to do is open a Sony Store and a Tea Shop.


Peetuhr
Jun 4th, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

when it comes to little details like that store owners generally like to hear your opinion. if i am dealing with an owner of a business or even an employee who seems to CARE what their customers think, il give them the feedback and almsot always there are positive results and everyone leaves happy.


elai
Jun 4th, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

I’d get keyboard stickers, not physically pop out and rearrange keyboard keys. You could possibly damage the keyboard and and sort of contour, curve, or special shapes are ruined. Not mention it’s ALOT faster.

Jun 5th, 2009 @ 4:36 am

I second Patrick on the gray logos.

Here’s a nice technique to make it look great as well.
http://www.alistapart.com/d/sprites/ala-blobs2.html


Champ
Jun 5th, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

“I think that instead of just going away unhappy, we should open our mouth and say “this is what I think, and how it can be improved.” I don’t think there is anything wrong with it. ”

Have you ever worked a low paying, shitty job like any of the three places in the post for any substantial amount of time? I really doubt it, because if you had, you’d know that such a suggestion is obnoxious and counterproductive, especially if you are just telling the employee. I hope you are at least talking about speaking to the manager, but you still aren’t gonna get very many good results through that.

Tynan, you come of as a totally self absorbed dickwad in this post. Really, you’re gonna complain about the friendly, genuine salesperson, just because they were a little eager to do their job? You’re gonna bitch about the water not being the perfect degree Celsius? The chips aren’t homemade? Jesus.

Look, the point of the post is right- great customer service makes you a great company. but almost all of your complaints are horrendously petty, and I’m glad I will never have to deal with you in such a situation, although unfortunately there are plenty of people just like you, all over the world.


G
Jun 5th, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

I agree with Champ.
It sounds like you haven’t actually lived a real life tynan. And I don’t mean because you haven’t done enough “crazy shit”. I mean because it really sounds like you still haven’t figured out what’s important in life and what isn’t.
True, you’re young, so there’s time to fix it, but frankly, you ain’t no spring-chicken buddy, so you better hurry, cause problems like the ones you have take decades to fix!

You are SO rigid in so many things…it’s freaky. Real travellers become more easygoing as they experience more of the strange world we live in. You seem to become even more anal.

Now as for that honesty of yours…how about telling the truth about your whole PUA “successes”. Barry Kirkey seems to think you may have over-exagerated some of those, especially in your song/ode to Mystery :)
So go the extra mile and give us some more of those essential details you seem to have skipped over… :)

See how easy it is to nit-pick?

You’re welcome.


Tynan
Jun 5th, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

I’m not complaining, I’m pointing out opportunities for companies to go from good to excellent, a distinction that matters.

@Champ: Home made chips don’t matter in most places, but to people who eat healthy in healthy restaurants, it DOES matter. Not a life or death issue, but it’s something we notice. High end tea shops should care about water temperature, because water temperature has a very noticeable difference on flavor.

Again, not a huge deal, but small details that would have made me LOVE these places.

I’m reading a lot about business these days, so these sorts of things stand out to me. I’m trying to share what I’ve learned through examples.

@G: I don’t have everything figured out by any means, but I have a pretty good handle on what is important. I spend my time doing what I love, with family and friends, traveling and learning, and being as healthy as possible.

I’m not sure what Barry has to complain about with my song for Mystery, and don’t really care either. I like/liked Barry, but from what I understand he spends his time spewing negativity towards people who used to be his friends. Maybe he needs to figure out what’s important in life?

I don’t exaggerate anything, and can’t think of any claims I’ve made regarding pickup. I definitely didn’t sleep with as many girls at Proho as many of the other guys, but I wasn’t trying to. That’s not to say that I didn’t have a huge amount of failures (I did), but rather that quantity was never my goal.

As for being rigid, I think that’s something that you can’t really judge from a blog. Many girls I’ve dated have told me I’m too stubborn, though, so maybe you’re on to something.

Tynan


Tynan
Jun 5th, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Forgot to respond to a couple other things:

I’ll do the grey blob thing, but it’s not at the top of my list right now. Thanks for the feedback!

For Dvorak I don’t rearrange my keys. I just change the mappings and touch type.

Tynan


bill
Jun 6th, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

Reminds me of the story of the bartender who was asked why he always got bigger tips, when his drinks were the same size as anyone elses. “Maybe because I fill three quarters, and then say ‘lets put some more in’, and fill it up?”

Jun 8th, 2009 @ 1:57 am

Champ and G:

I think you’re missing it.

There’s a rule in business that says “under promise, over deliver.” The other way around is simply no good.

So expecting what is promised is not being anal.

High end green tea should never be served with boiling water. It burns the tea and it doesn’t taste good. You ever hear people say “I hate green tea?” It’s because they use boiling water and scorch it.

I’ve never been to a tea shop that used boiling water for green (or white, for that matter) tea, but I’d complain about it too if they did.

Same with the Bonny’s restaurant experience. If you’re going to a vegetarian/vegan place that claims to be healthy, all-natural, etc…they better deliver.

Karol

Jun 8th, 2009 @ 2:11 am

[...] The Details that Make an Experience [...]


Champ
Jun 8th, 2009 @ 7:56 am

First of all, sorry about the length, I decided to really put everything out there for discussion. I chopped it up to make it more digestible, but it’s still a ton to read.

Karol: Both yours and Tynan’s comments are conflicting a little with the post itself. If you are right about green tea, and burning it has an effect on the flavor similar to, say, overcooking a steak, then I completely agree. Tynan, if your tea was bad, then I’m with you. However, that is not what I read in the post.

I am hardly an expert on the finer details of green tea. So everything I know about it I am drawing from the post. Tynan said nothing about flavor. All he said was “boiling water instead of the 80 degrees celcius it’s meant to be” From this I assumed that it didn’t affect the flavor, but instead the temperature was kind of a tea etiquette that this place didn’t quite follow. In fact, Tynan even said later that “the tea was excellent” If it was not just good, but excellent anyway, the temperature hardly matters at all.

So Tynan, Karol; was it a careless use of words in the post, or are you exaggerating to make your rebuttal hold more weight?


Champ
Jun 8th, 2009 @ 7:57 am

Tynan-
I think we have very different outlooks, and that is going to leave this argument partially unsettled.

You were right in assuming I’m a little out of my element here- I don’t think I have ever even been to a vegan restaurant, and I’m not particularly inclined to change that. I don’t even know what they offer (I guess avocado volcanoes). But in retrospect, any restaurant I’ve gotten chips at (entirely Mexican restaurants) I’m fairly sure has had home made or at least deceptively warmed chips. I’m not sure how I’d react to getting Tostitos as an appetizer.

As for tea, the last time I had hot tea was a very late night at Denny’s, and they have a wide range of Lipton and more Lipton. The last green tea I got cold in a 20 oz. bottle, and I swore I pressed the “Pepsi” button on that vending machine. However, the complaint about how the teabag was placed is completely out there. I can’t imagine caring or even noticing something like that. Did that really negatively impact your “experience”? Its things like this that give me such a problem with this post. I’m baffled by that one.

It’s the Sony store that really bothers me. You had an admittedly friendly, helpful and knowledgeable salesperson. Your complaint is that… she wanted to sell you something. She’s a salesperson. But the incredible thing is next. You were inexplicably passed to an unfriendly salesman right in the middle. Tynan! That’s something to complain about! That’s a legitimately unsatisfactory experience! But you pass it off as a postscript while you devote a paragraph pointing out the flaws of the kind of salesperson I would LOVE to experience regularly? Huh.


Champ
Jun 8th, 2009 @ 7:59 am

I’m just not that type of person. I don’t go hunting around for the ultimate hip vegan restaurant with the best chips. Food is something to do in the background while I talk to someone. I don’t demand an experience when I go out to eat. I don’t even really demand good service. I’d like my drink refilled now and again, but if not, no big deal. Hell, my last experience with the Sony store involved me paying an extra $25, and then having to drive an hour just to get my money back, and I was pretty chill about that too, it sounded like an honest mistake.

Regarding business/pointing out opportunities/sharing what you have learned: As I said, the post has a good point. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who disagrees with that. And I’m assuming you have a business/are planning a business of your own here, but I would much rather see this post as “here is why my business excels/will excel” with maybe a paragraph’s worth of negative examples like these. You say it’s not a complaining post but I hardly see much else.

And about judging someone by their blog… I think you can learn a lot about a person by what they choose to write about, and how they write it. Maybe it’s not as effective as actually meeting you, But I think your blog contains a pretty deep, all around depiction of you. And whether this gives you something to judge or not, I don’t think I’ll ever be the type of person who blogs about his not-quite-excellent experience at the tea shop.

Thanks for reading. This is what happens when I can’t sleep and there’s some good old internet debating to be done.


Tynan
Jun 8th, 2009 @ 11:48 am

@Champ: As I’ve said before… these things aren’t making the difference between “bad” and “good”, they’re the difference between “good” and “excellent”. When someone carefully puts the tea bag in, instead of tossing it, it’s a signal.

A few days after that experience we went to an amazing tea shop in Montreal. The woman showed us the ideal way to make our tea, handled the whole tea set almost reverently, and very obviously cared about the tea. As a result I’m raving about the place to anyone who will listen.

As for the Sony girl, are you seriously telling me you’ve never had a salesperson who annoyed you because they cared more about their commission than how good the product was for you?

Tynan


Dave
Jun 17th, 2009 @ 4:47 am

FFS Champ leave it alone…talk about nitpicking. Nice blog(s) Tynan, the vast majority of readers no doubt understood the message you were trying to get across was about making customers love your business and not the fine art of the Japanese tea ceremony :)

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