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EPSON DSC Picture A significant amount of people have changed their diet based on my advice, so I feel an obligation to provide updates when I make changes. The debate over the past two weeks, along with additional reading sparked by it, has caused me to change my diet radically.

Before I get into that, I want to explain why I eat what I eat, so that people considering changes based on my opinion can make sure that my goals align with theirs. I choose what I eat for long term health and longevity. That’s it. I love animals and think they should be treated kindly, but if factory farmed meat would make me healthier, I would eat it. Taste is important within the range of healthy foods, but if styrofoam packing peanuts were the secret to health, I’d be pounding them down. I don’t eat to gain association with any group or subculture. Whether I’m considered vegan, vegetarian, paleo, carnivore, or anything else doesn’t matter to me.

I’m not trying to be right yesterday, I’m trying to be right today. Sometimes that means admitting that I was wrong and making the best change I can. I base my identity around adapting quickly to the best information I can find, not clinging to the previous best information.

Also, I don’t care how much money I spend on healthy food. If $5 buys me a meal that’s somewhat healthy and $10 buys me a meal that is completely healthy, I will pay the $10. The act of eating is amongst the most intimate processes we undergo. The food we choose alters our bodies, minds, and futures. That makes it a top priority financially and otherwise. I once read an exchange where someone asked someone else why healthy food was so expensive. Because it’s more valuable, he replied.

So that’s my criteria. If your goals are the same, the research I do might be of value to you.

With that out of the way, I have started to eat meat again.

Specifically, I am eating meat, dairy, eggs, and fish which are raised in a natural way. That means wild caught fish as well as meat which is fed its natural diet. Almost all cattle in this country is fed corn, which is not what cows are supposed to eat. They have ruminant stomachs specifically designed to eat grass. The properties of the resulting meat are wildly different: the Omega 3 to 6 ratio, for example, is about 1:3 or better in grass fed beef, but is more like 1:20 in corn fed beef. Grass fed cows actually roam in fields, which keeps them healthy. Confined corn fed cows don’t exercise and are pumped full of antibiotics to stay “healthy” (a.k.a. not dead).

Why?

The main reason I made the switch is this: there are too many people an each side of the fence. Half of nutritional scientists say that meat is the best thing ever for you. The other half say that it will kill you. On the other hand, EVERY nutritional scientist says that refined carbohydrates will kill you.

How is it that EVERYONE knows how bad refined carbs are, but there are so many varying opinions on meat? My own deduction is that meat is an insignificant factor in longevity. If it was a major factor, like refined carbs, it seems as though it would be very easy to prove. But it isn’t. Part of why it isn’t easy to prove is because longevity and health are interrelated with a huge number of other factors. I’ve read about dozens of studies where it was later proven that other factors (usually disease or refined carbs) have interfered with the results. Refined carbs push through the complexity because they are so bad, but meat doesn’t.

A pattern I saw as I read more about diet is that while scientists know exactly why refined carbs are bad for you, they can’t explain why meat is bad for you. Some studies show correlations, but I haven’t found any information on the step by step molecular processes that explain how animal products could cause harm. On the contrary, I read one fascinating and detailed account of how meat affects cholesterol (HDL, LDL, VLDL, and apo B particles). It explained how animal fat is processed by your body, why meat is actually healthy for you, and how it appears not to be healthy if you only watch HDL and LDL.

I’ve been making other smaller changes to my diet since I last addressed the issue. I don’t drink smoothies, because the fiber is destroyed in the blending process, thus converting the fruit into a simple carb. I don’t eat any sweetener, including agave nectar, because even these “healthy” sweeteners turn out not to be healthy by any standard other than the glycemic index, which is just one factor. The simple rule I keep coming up against is this: “don’t mess with the food”. Eat things as whole and as close to their natural state as possible. Everything I’ve been reading about meat falls neatly into the same pattern. It’s healthy for you as long as you don’t mess with it by raising the animals in unnatural and unhealthy conditions, turning it into chicken nuggets, etc.

I still think that an unprocessed vegan diet is a very healthy diet. I’ve come to really enjoy it and I expect that a large portion of my meals will conform to it. It’s far healthier to eat no meat and no refined grains/sugar than it is to eat both. But I now believe that the diet I was eating can be improved by eating meat, so I will do so.

Be Open Minded

I hope to maybe prevent it by writing this, but I anticipate radical comments from both sides. Vegans will feel betrayed and meat eaters will feel vindicated. Instead, I hope that you’ll consider using this debate as I used the original debate between T Colin Campbell and Denise Minger: as a spark to examine the choices you make and make sure that you’re doing what’s best for yourself.

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Eric
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 7:15 am

I guess this is the time to recommend http://www.marksdailyapple.com. (I’m in no way connected to them so it’s just a recommendation from someone eating acording to the Primal Blueprint)


E
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 7:18 am

Great post!! I completely agree with the sentiment; that animal products are not inherently unhealthy, but factory-farmed corn-fed beef, farm-raised pellet-fed fish, and so forth are worth avoiding. Check out eatwild.com if you haven’t already, I’ve gotten grass-fed beef and pastured eggs from there.

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 7:32 am

Hey Tynan. So my Vegan experimented only lasted 2 months a few years ago. Yours went on a lot longer, which shows a lot about your determination.

I think one of the things you learned out of these Vegan years is how to locate the best, freshest veggies on your journies around the globe, something that many people do not know how to do. It’s a serious life advantage. Doing exactly as you have been, but adding a lean piece of meet into the mix, will not be hard to do.

With that said, you might be looking for more research, and I recommend The Primal Blueprint. I did an interview with the author http://tinyurl.com/marksissoninterview or you can catch him at marksdailyapple.com


Nico
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 7:44 am

As Alex said above me, read Mark Sisson’s book if you get a chance. He seems (to me) to be one of the more balanced of the paleo/primal/Atkins/carnivore.

And let me know if you’re ever in Paris, we’ll have tea.


Michael j King
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 7:50 am

I have taken a step back myself from vegan to vegetarian, but leaving out processed grains and other foods, including healthy vegetables and grass fed/free range meat sounds very much like the approach suggested by the Paleo diet!! may be worth looking into
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFZoqmKf5M


Roman
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 8:01 am

I was a vegan, and came to the exact same conclusions about 2 years ago. Meat is the way to go. There is nothing unhealthy about it, if it’s from a good source. We were designed to eat meat by nature. Meat is the only source of some of the most important nutrients.


Roman
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 8:03 am

Oh ya, if you wanna catch some amazing info, check out Sean Croxton from Underground Wellness. He has videos and amazing podcast where he interviews a ton of authors and other health practitioners. Truly an unbelievable resource.


toby
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 8:05 am

ty – a good move for you my friend. the debate on such things can be pretty interesting and there are merits to the arguments. But at the end of it all,just remember that there is no such thing as “one size fits all”. People are different and have different constitutions and body needs. Remember the expression “one man’s meat is another man’s poison”? Some people need meat – others are much better on veg alone. Ironically it is usually those most in need of meat that seem to gravitate to full on Veganism – and the heavy meat-eaters of the world are often those who would benefit from cutting back…


vanmartin
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 8:13 am

Kudos for being honest

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 8:23 am

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Phillip
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 8:46 am

Just one thing, corn is a grass. I worked on a dairy farm to get through college and I can tell you, you want the cows that have had their shots and a scientifically designed diet. I’ve seen cattle that just live off whatever nature provides and some hay, the cows from the feed lots look much better. Just my 2¢.

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Tiffany
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 9:45 am

Yay!

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 9:48 am

Tynan,

Much respect for 1) Knowing specifically what you want and 2) Not letting anything, even yourself, get in the way of it.

When I switched to pasture-raised meat after a year of a vegan diet, I had many of the same feelings and reasons.

On the issue of carbohydrates, we have *causation* – we understand the physiology.

On so many of the issues we take for granted, “saturated fat is bad”, “vegetables are good”, we have weak research that is misinterpreted by news outlets like CNN and then perpetuated.

So what I know resolutely is that it is optimal to reduce carbohydrates. That places new demands on my diet: where will calories come from?

There is only one other option. Fats.

And as clear as we are about the danger of carbohydrates, we are nearly as sure about the danger of polyunsaturated fats in quantity, so that steers me to animal fats primarily composed of saturated fats.

Then again, as we’ve seen, ‘being sure’ often ends up being ‘not so sure’ which is the beauty of an open-mind and knowing what you want.

Anyway. I could go on for hours. If you haven’t come across them, check out: http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/ as well as http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/dp/1604860804

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 11:19 am

I completely agree with your analysis. Processed carbs are the devil. Plain and simple. You’ve gotta look at evolution to make any sort of sense on what’s ‘healthy.’ Through the lense of evolution, it’s easy to see that humans evolved eating meat. If we evolved to eat meat, this presupposes are bodies are adapted to thrive off it. I love your blog Tynan. Thanks for all the value.


Jane
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 11:49 am

So what you’re saying is raw food is the way to go?

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 11:58 am

This is a great, and courageous first step for you Tynan. It’s just a first step though. I have full confidence that as you look more into this, you will eventually drop all grains and legumes from your diet. I look forward to seeing your progression. A couple good resources for you as a recovering vegan:
Let them eat meat (.com)
The Vegetarian Myth
Good Calories, Bad Calories
PaleoNu (.com)

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 11:59 am

Thanks for the interesting post. I was particularly interested in your comment about fiber being destroyed in smoothie blending. Could you please point me in the direction of the research for that?


Rav
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

Interesting article – same as Stephanie above, fibre being destroyed by blending?


E
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 12:25 pm

Stephanie and Rav, this is a good general article on how breaking down a carb source can increase the glycemic index: http://ginews.blogspot.com/2006/12/food-for-thought.html


Jason
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 12:51 pm

Looks like you have a lot of omnivore/carnivore/paleo fans despite your past veganism. :) I am in that bunch too. I recommend the Weston A Price Foundation (www.westonaprice.org) as an excellent source of information on nutrient-dense traditional food that many cultures lived very healthily on before industrialization. No healthy traditional cultures were vegan, but some did use grains, but those were soaked or fermented first. I also believe in metabolic typing, which says that food effects the balance of your autonomic nervous system, so some people do better with higher fat/protein and some do better with lower fat/protein. There is no one-diet-fits-all. Well done Tynan!


Wilhelm
Jul 26th, 2010 @ 4:42 pm

This point, that grassfed beef is healthy and only industrialized meat is the problem, is exactly what is proven wrong in the china study. Meat is the problem (if you feed it unnatural stuff it gets even worse, but that doesn’t make meat a good food choice).
Low fat veganism – that’s where the fruits of health can be picked.

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

Props on the change. I appreciate your willingness to change based on evidence and study. More people need to be like you. I also agree with the above commenters on reading ‘The Primal Blueprint’ by Sisson as well as Mark’s Daily Apple, his website.

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 8:04 pm

I am sure you guys must have run across this classic article by Gary Taubes at some point. If not, here you go: http://bit.ly/161Ldv

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 9:30 pm

I was vegetarian, then vegan, for a good while. I went vegan after I started having digestive problems that got so severe that I was having a hard time living my daily life. I finally went to a traditional doctor who ordered me to increase fiber (he said use Benefiber) and chill out/relax. I chose instead to get my fiber from eating a vegan diet. I started eating more grains and legumes. My digestive problems and the accompanying pain got a lot worse. I missed 9 days of work in January of this year, doubled over in pain with a heating pad on my stomach. I was no better on the 9th day than the 1st. I was finally diagnosed with Crohn’s Disease. I refused the standard steriod treatment (and my doctor’s recommendations to increase fiber) and decided to treat myself with a radical diet change. Fortunately, a coworker gave me a copy of “Breaking the Vicious Cycle” by Elaine Gottschall, which explains the Specific Carbohydrate Diet as a treatment for bowel diseases. There are absolutely no grains and almost no legumes, no table sugar/artificial sweeteners. In fact, if a food is in a package or can, it’s almost certainly not allowed. It’s fresh meats, berries and certain fruits, most vegetables, certain nuts, eggs, some aged cheeses, a 24-hour fermented homemade yogurt, and honey if a sweetener is necessary. It took me almost a month to detox after quitting grains, legumes, and sugar, and there were days that I thought I would surely diet. But after 3 months, I feel like a brand new person now. My digestive problems are almost completely gone, along with the accompanying inflammation and brain fog. Gottschall said that it takes “fanatical adherence” while using the diet to get well, and she was right. Things aren’t perfect, but I expect to be fully recovered in a year. (My traditional doctor is not supportive and still maintains that diet has nothing to do with Crohn’s.) I don’t ever plan to reintroduce sugar or grains. Thanks for your post. It was hard for me to go back to meat, eggs, and cheeses because I value animals. But I choose these things very carefully – buying locally when possible and grass-fed/organic. I’m glad I did and I’m glad that there are folks out there like you doing the research.

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 9:32 pm

“There were days I thought I would surely die…” not diet. Funny pun not intended. :-)

Jul 26th, 2010 @ 9:36 pm

Hey Tynan -

Care to share the other things you’ve read recently that led to this?

S.


larry
Jul 27th, 2010 @ 1:41 am

Here’s a good video on meat: http://meat.org

Jul 27th, 2010 @ 1:52 am

I Eat Meat Now | Life Outside The Box | Tynan…

I found your entry interesting do I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)…

Jul 27th, 2010 @ 2:19 am

I like this rhetorical move:

“I couldn’t find any pictures of meat. So instead there’s a picture of me sitting on the head of a water buffalo in Panama.”

*golf clap*


hanne
Jul 27th, 2010 @ 2:57 am

I can only agree on “don’t mess with the food”. But wouldn’t cooking the meat be considered “messing” with it?

Jul 27th, 2010 @ 5:58 am

So basically you’re saying: “I thought meat was bad, I now found out ‘science’ isn’t sure, so I’ve started eating it again”.

My 2 cts (same as Toby): listen to your body.

Also: placing your health above the wellbeing of other beings, in my eyes, is immoral. Would you eat people if it made you healthier?

Jul 27th, 2010 @ 1:02 pm

Thinking for yourself rather than blindly following “experts”? What a concept :-)

You set a great example of applying critical thinking to your personal solution.


Dave, RN
Jul 27th, 2010 @ 1:47 pm

Congrats for eating for health instead of ideology. A good friend of my sons is a vegitarian and just had his first heart attack. He didn’t eat many processed foods either. Now he’s on Lipitor and nitro. But he eats for ideology, so no diet change for him. Too bad. A second heart attackis probably in his future.

But yay for you! You just can’t beat real butter, cream and pastured beef and chicken.


Wilhelm Fleifenheigen III
Jul 27th, 2010 @ 2:48 pm

Tynan, please let us know how the diet change goes, whether you notice or see or feel any improvements in your energy, appearance, etc.

Also, thanks for the insight on blending. I’ve never heard that before, and am researching it now.


Tim
Jul 27th, 2010 @ 3:02 pm

Good question, Niels.

Jul 27th, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

Vegetarian diet is not for anti-AGEing.

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Jul 27th, 2010 @ 7:35 pm

Good call on the meat. It’s actually the crap they feed and inject into the animals causing problems, as you so astutely opined.

Eat as close to nature and unrefined as possible to optimize your nutrition. Eat crap and get a crap body for the effort.

Cheers


Tynan
Jul 28th, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

@Niels

I’m saying “I used to eat an exclusively plant-based diet because my best understanding as that it was the optimal diet. Now my best understanding is that it’s better to eat high quality meats as well, so I have added those.”

It’s hard to argue with someone who tries to equate human life and animal life. Do you drive? On a roadtrip you might kill 1000 bugs. Is that the same as killing 1000 people?

If dead people routinely donated their bodies to be eaten as food because it was somehow known that eating human flesh is great for your health, I would eat it. If you’re asking if I would go kill someone and eat them… the answer is no.

Tynan


Noah
Jul 28th, 2010 @ 1:21 pm

I was vegan for more than 12 years ( age 22-35), and an active member of vegan outreach. High fat paleo for the past 7 years. I was vegan for ethical and health reasons. I am now paleo for the same reasons.

The agricultural revolution has cost our species so much. We left behind our knowledge of our place in the cycle of life. I believe my veganism was a valiant but misguided attempt to regain my rightful relationship to the planet. Neither nutritional nor ecological science supports it’s effectiveness.


Paul
Jul 28th, 2010 @ 7:24 pm

I think that a large part of the problem is not the raising of meat, it’s instead the preparation: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-05/hsop-epm051410.php

This is another observational study that doesn’t prove causation, just like all of the studies that implicated red meat to begin with – but it’s worth a thought.


noah
Jul 29th, 2010 @ 8:06 am

@Paul
Thanks for the link re processed vs unprocessed meat. I’d like to see how other dietary variables were considered. How did the researchers adjust for the white flour bread/bun, the soda and chips that often accompany the processed meats, vs. the salad and side of broccoli that go with the ribeye. These confounding factors make these observational studies very difficult to draw conclusions from (as you pointed out).

Jul 29th, 2010 @ 11:31 am

I don’t agree with the commenter(s) saying that some people do great on meat and some do great on veg alone. That’s not possible. You can’t get all the vitamins you need, in forms your body can actually use, on plant foods alone.

I found that out the hard way when I discovered I was not converting beta carotene very well. I discovered this because I had serious problems with my monthly cycle for three years straight which only let up and normalized when I began supplementing vitamin A from fish liver oil.

That’s a pretty serious vitamin to be doing without. At least I didn’t wreck my eyesight, I must have been getting just barely enough to prevent that–but my daughter was born with defects to her urinary system, including a radical difference in the size of her kidneys (left way bigger than right, like, beyond normal), and I have since found out that vitamin A is important to the development of that body system in the fetus.

This is nothing to play around with. There is not a single solitary human being in the entire world who thrives on being an herbivore. The primate order is an insectivorous order; bugs are meat; end of story. If you’re not going to eat bugs then eat the closest you can get to them nutritionally. And good luck finding that macronutrient profile in the plant kingdom ’cause it just ain’t gonna happen.


Carol
Jul 29th, 2010 @ 11:57 am

I think that a lot of the commenters have missed the boat here. Your post wasn’t about the merits of eating meat so much as it was about keeping an open mind and deciding the best path to take based on the best information you have. Ideally, that’s what we all would do, but the real world doesn’t work that way. Far too many folks are willing to let CNN or another “information source” do their thinking for them. That’s how we end up with people eating in an ideaological manner, or even living that way. Your posts are about living authentically, according to that best information that we can get, and our own *rational* interpretations of that information. Kudos to you for having had the courage to do just that.

Be well,

Carol


Joe
Jul 29th, 2010 @ 1:11 pm

Which first meat did you give a chance? I am curious.

I can agree about eating only organic meat. I made that shift from factory meat to natural farming meat. It is healthier. I eat bisons and wild Alaskan Salmon. Do some search. I find a natural farmer who will sell me whole or half cow that is grass-feed. Bulk buying does save money. Also that farmer sells raw milk and free-range chicken eggs. It go long way by improving my healthy and support this sustainability farmer.

Jul 29th, 2010 @ 4:23 pm

@Tynan Yeah I didn’t understand that from your post, but now it’s clear, thanks.

I’m not necessarily trying to _equate_ human and other animal life. If an animal severely threatened a familymember I’d surely kill it if that would stop the threat. But I _am_ saying both have value and should be treated respectfully, even bugs. As I understand it you give your own health the highest priority, short of killing people. If your health would be improved by forcing hundreds of animals into painful and short lives, you’d still do that, right?

My opinion on that is the following: science is not exactly sure in what way meat is healthy for us. So we might well be inflicting all that suffering needlessly, because, as you say “I still think that an unprocessed vegan diet is a very healthy diet.” If both diets are very healthy, I personally choose not to let other animals suffer for some possible small percentage in health-improvement.

I understand we live in the real world and animals kill animals, sure. But we humans have become very good in eathing healthy while not inflicting hurt upon other animals. I think that’s good thing.

Anyhoozles: bon appetit :)

Jul 29th, 2010 @ 6:34 pm

Hey Tynan,

I’ve been going through a lot of the same myself the last few months, after spending my whole adult life as a wholefood eating veggie and usually a vegan I went paleo! I feel so much better now, weight controls not an issue and my IBS has disappeared. I hope you have as much success as I’ve had. If you fancy a look at what I’m doing with the change over I’m here:

http://foodfloraandfelines.blogspot.com/

It’s good that you opened your mind enough to objectively look at the evidence. I studies nutritional science for 4 years and it took me long enough lol!

Khrystyna

Jul 30th, 2010 @ 7:34 am

Wow, I’m glad I read this. I recently meet Mark Sisson and convinced me to do the Paleo Diet again. But I kept thinking about the China Study in the back of my mind.


Randall
Jul 30th, 2010 @ 10:50 am

@Phillip
The corn PLANT is a grass, but factory-farm cattle are not fed that. They are fed the fruit of the grass plant: the corn kernels, which are grains, and are not easily digestible to cattle. It’s Mother Nature’s way of propogating the plant, and assuring survival for another generation. The cow eats the plant (thus actually strengthening it, if it is a perennial plant). The seeds are eaten also, but are not digested. They merely pass through the animal, where they are innoculated and deposited with a fertilizer supply so that a new plant will grow to repeat the cycle. Unfortunately, factory-farmed cattle are not fed the grass they need to make their systems work properly. To make matters worse, they are usually fed genetically modified grains, but that opens up a whole ‘nuther can of worms. Scientifically-designed diets? I’m pretty sure Mother Nature had the whole diet thing figured out long before scientists entered the picture. Profit-designed diets is a more accurate term.


Randall
Jul 30th, 2010 @ 10:58 am

@Wilhelm
The China Study — at it’s face — is the basis of many a decision on the “best way to eat.” Unfortunately, Dr. Campbell simply ignored data that did not support his pre-supposed conclusion. All the data taken together leads to a very different conclusion, just as with Dr. Keys’ study “proving” that saturated fat causes heart disease. You can “prove” anything you want, if you’re willing to ignore two-thirds of the data. (Of all the lectures I attended in college, only two comments have stuck with me all these years later. From Statistics class: “you can always make the numbers mean what you want them to mean.” From Accounting: “the difference between a bookkeeper and an accountant is that a bookkeeper will tell you that two plus two equals four, but an accountant will ask you what you want it to equal.”)


Christopher
Jul 30th, 2010 @ 10:39 pm

Simple question: What kind of nutrients can I get from eating meat that I can’t from eating plants? What am I missing out on if I’m on a plant based diet?


Al
Aug 1st, 2010 @ 1:23 am

@Christopher

what you miss by never eating animal flesh, is saturated fat.You also miss vitamin B12. You also miss two Essential Fatty Acids: EPA, and DHA. And no, the Essential Fatty Acid you get from plants isn’t an acceptable substitute, because the human body has a VERY LIMITED capacity to do the conversion. It does the conversion, but not enough in a day.

The carnivore boards are full of links to the fact that the main thing you get from ==any currently available== vegetable is… flatus.

Fruits are simply bags of sugar.


Ryan
Aug 4th, 2010 @ 9:32 am

Have you seen this lecture on animal protein?
http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=BCED96C19361449686F6E68ED178FFFF


toby
Aug 11th, 2010 @ 2:06 am

Go Ahead and Chew your Smoothies….!
…ok – so this issue of dietary fiber being broken down has been nagging on my mind for a little while… i decided to research it:

without going all that much further than wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_fiber, it quickly becomes clear that this argument doesn’t really wash. Contrary to the meaning suggested by its name, Dietary Fiber is not a “fiber” as such – it is not the physical format that makes it “fiber” it is the chemical structure. It can be roughly divided into “soluble” and “non-soluble”. Non-soluble doesnt break down, no matter how small you cut it so forget about that. Soluble forms a “Gel” in the digestive tract which actually helps to slow the uptake of sugars and therefore reduces the Glycaemic Load. The finer the physical particals of this fiber, the more complete the creation of the gel and the more effective it is at slowing the uptake of sugars….nice!

It is possible that making a smoothie will increase the availability of the sugars in the fruits as they will be in smaller particle size – but this is party alleviated by the increased “gelling” of the soluble fibres due also to small partical size….

One important point – Carbs are initially broken down using the dietaty enzyme “amylase” which is provided in your saliva…. So, if you really want to do well, you should Chew your smoothie before swallowing… Maybe Ty is right after all, but for the wrong reasons…
Easy…

Aug 12th, 2010 @ 4:59 pm

I just recently started reading your blog, so forgive me if this is mentioned elsewhere. I, too, am wondering (though not quite in the same direction as niels) where the boundaries are between your welfare and the welfare of your food sources.

What I’m specifically thinking of is wild-caught fish. I know that fish is one of the healthiest meats out there, so I understand why everyone from you to Oprah advocates eating it. But, as I’m sure you also know, overfishing has brought all kinds of oceanic and river ecosystems to the brink of collapse. certain subspecies of tuna, once common, are now practically extinct; and common fishing areas have lost up to 90% of their biodiversity. Not to mention the damage that trawling and dredging can do to the ocean floor (as well as species that we don’t eat that get caught in the sweep).

My point is simply that commercial fishing of wild species is unsustainable. Were I to stop being a vegetarian, I would limit myself to domestic species that are in no danger of extinction, or to wild species in a similar situation (ie, mule deer, at least in Colorado where i live), rather than participate in that sort of destruction. I respect that my priorities are different than yours, but this is a question that comes to my mind whenever anyone starts talking about eating fish, so i wonder what you think about it. Thanks!


Mike
Sep 8th, 2010 @ 12:36 pm

This is a very intelligent post and a good example of solid reasoning by a non-specialist to make informed choices for themselves. Your observation about everyone agreeing on the topic of refined carbs is just a very smart way to think about it. I have a fairly similar attitude towards diet and nutrition as you describe here. After reading tons of stuff for years, I firmly believe an omnivorous diet is best.


Jeff W.
Sep 13th, 2010 @ 5:59 pm

@becca:

Commercial fishing is not unsustainable. However, the way many commercial operations are run is unsustainable. I think it’s an important distinction to make.

As evidence I offer the Alaska commercial fishing industry from 1900 to about 1950 compared to commercial fishing 1950 onward. Alaska’s fish population was nearly wiped out in the early half of that century by practices like fish traps at the mouth of primary rivers catching nearly 100% of fish, unrestrained trolling, and no seasonal limitations on fishing.

Today, however, the fish population thrives (though there are areas that, even today, are quite sensitive). Both commercial and recreational fishing is tightly regulated, with the number one concern being the health of the fish population, not the wallets of the fishermen.

So it can be done correctly, if the society cares enough to do it correctly.

If you’re worried about it, look for Alaskan fish or any other fish that is handled in a responsible manner. It tends to carry a premium, but it’s also pretty much the highest quality fish you can buy.


asa
Sep 20th, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

just a thought. but the reason why there may be so many scientists on ‘both sides of the fence’ are simply because, some work independently of agri-business and the meat industry and some are paid huge salaries and/or kickbacks from the meat industry. if you decide to meat meat…have at it. but your reasoning seems to reflect an unfortunate propensity for being easily swayed by whatever viewpoint is popular at the moment. it doesn’t matter if 50 doctors are saying smoke crack for your health and only 1 is saying it’ll kill you. you have to do your own research and at the end of the day “make up your own mind”.


Esther
Oct 4th, 2010 @ 5:03 am

“the fiber is destroyed in the blending process” . . . Seriously – that is like saying that chewing destroys fiber. Fiber is fiber because of it’s molecular structure – how do you reconcile the existence of soluble powder fiber with this belief. Also what journal article did this come from. . . Scientific American?


Eric
Oct 16th, 2010 @ 11:37 am

Gary Taubes does not explore the political forces at work behind the push to replace animal products with grain products.

Why was Ancel Keys pronounced Man of the Year by Time magazine when he claimed to have proven that, for example, butter will kill you and the new synthetic butter substitute agribusiness just invented (margarine) will save your life?

It’s a long story, but I’ll give a short version.

After WWII, American agribusiness found that they could produce unlimited quantities of grain very cheaply. They got the government to pay farmers NOT to grow grain to prevent the price from approaching zero. This continues to this day.

At the same time, the chemical industry invented processes to use grain as a feedstock to produce a synthetic butter substitute, margarine.

They found that whereas a pound of butter sells for four dollars and requires three dollars and fifty cents of ingredient to produce, margarine takes only twenty five cents of ingredients (hydrogenated grain oil) to produce.

The challenge: how to get people to eat margarine, and how to get them to pay the same price they paid for butter.

The USDA and the American Heart Association paid scientists to “discover” that butter is deadly and margarine is a lifesaver.

Fast forward to today and margarine (hydrogenated grain oil) has been proven so deadly that it is a criminal offense to feed it to humans in the entire state of New York.

Of course, agribusiness has found that if they change the chemical formula of margarine, they can avoid criminal liability, and this they have done.

The reason “science” has told us that grain products are good is that scientists are paid by the USDA, a consortium of grain producers, the AHA, a consortium of pharmaceutical manufacturers.

This is just one example of many about how we got where we are. There is no money in animal products. Grain products have given us the highest profits in the history of human endeavor.

Oct 31st, 2010 @ 9:22 pm

Live by results. No rules, just right. No diet.

You’re body gives you response indicators with whatever you eat. Negative responses indicators can show up, or rather, will be evident, within minutes, hours, days, or weeks, but usually not more, if you’re in tune with yourself. And hence you can nip a problem in the bud by discontinuing whatever was causing the problem, as long as you have choices.

The more quickly evident negative response indicators are cracks in the skin rashes, digestive problems, circulatory problems, some flaky skin conditions. These indicators will typically show before longer term indicators such as changes in ones nails or hair or unique changes in skin tonality qualities.

Also, many peoples’ bodies will have ‘phases’ of dietary practices, even instinctually/naturally. And that can be related to seasons, age, climate, activity levels.

Nov 10th, 2010 @ 7:52 am

I read this yesterday… I do wonder if you have considered this perspective.

http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm

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Alexander
Sep 21st, 2011 @ 6:46 pm

Regardless of whether it is proved that eating (“good”) meat is healthier for you, I would remain vegan because, like you, I love and respect animals. The difference would be a matter of integrity (that is, acting in accordance with my values in relation to animals).

All sentient beings have the right to live (and die by their own choice). Killing can only be justified in cases of self-defense.

Good morality is logic-based. The only “moral meat” is from animals that have died from natural causes… or animals that you were forced to kill out of self-defense (including humans, because really, what’s the difference? One has a silly taboo attached to it, and one does not due to widely accepted inconsistent logic).

I WOULD eat eggs (my favorite meat), if and only if I had my own chickens that I treated as family members/pets and there was scientific proof that there were no unhealthy side-effects to it. But then again, my chickens might not appreciate me taking their eggs, so I’m not certain if I’d give up veganism even for that.

A rendition of John Galt’s famous line:
“I swear by my life, and my love for it, that I will never sacrifice my life for another life, nor sacrifice any other for mine.”

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