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As we walked to Mel’s Diner, her phone kept ringing. Not the typical I’m-in-LA-and-I’m-popular ringing, but more of a your-house-is-burning-and-I’m-trying-to-notify-you ringing.

“Do you need to get that?”

“Oh no,” she replied, without taking the phone out of her purse, “it’s just my ex-boyfriend.”

Five minutes later, the phone was still ringing.

“How did you meet this guy?”

“I met him at a club. I didn’t really like him very much, but he kept talking to me. When I would leave to go to the bathroom, he would find me again.”

“And you gave him your number?”

“Well, I didn’t want to. But he kept asking me over and over again, so I eventually figured if I gave him my number he might leave me alone.”

“But he didn’t?”

“No. He kept calling and asking me out. Finally I decided to just go out with him to make the calls stop.”

“But they didn’t?”

“No. The date wasn’t very good, but he kept asking me out again. Eventually I became his girlfriend.”

“And now you’ve broken up with him and he keeps calling you?”

“Yeah.”

Amazing. I never saw this girl again, and I’m sure she doesn’t remember me, but I think about this interaction all the time.

It shows that stubbornness can be more effective than tact. Back when I went out all the time, I prided myself on having a lot of finesse. I could sense the mindset the girl was in and respond appropriately. If she was getting bored I’d suggest going somewhere else. If she didn’t feel comfortable I’d back pedal a bit, slow down, and try to connect on a human level, instead of joking around. But if she didn’t return my call, I wouldn’t call back. Too proud.

A friend was asking my advice about a girl he was trying to see. She flaked a couple times and my advice was not to call her anymore.

“Yeah,” he said, “I know that’s the right move, but it sure feels like losing.”

He’s right. Brute force persistence may not work every time, but at least there’s some chance of success. Not calling conveys all of the right things: I’m not desperate, I’m not too attached to this, and I’m not needy; but almost certainly won’t result in ever seeing the girl again.

Seeing this annoyingly persistent guy succeed gave me the same feeling I get when I see scammy internet marketers making hundreds of thousands of dollars pushing worthless diet pills. It’s not quite jealousy, and it’s not quite inspiration. The best I can put it is that I realize that I’m not doing things the most effective way, and I begrudgingly accept it. It’s the intersection of drive and personal standards, seeing the way to getting what you want, but being unwilling to do it.

This post could have been about the triumph of stubbornness, and its close cousin, persistence. If the guy from the story was retelling it, it would probably come out that way. But to me it’s a reminder than winning isn’t everything; how you play matters too.


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Chandler
Feb 10th, 2010 @ 9:41 am

It’s something I think about quite a bit. As if my internal Code of Conduct says “I know that I could (make the money/get the girl/get promoted, etc.) that way…but I won’t”

How you play does matter. Thanks Tynan.

Feb 10th, 2010 @ 9:49 am

As you point out, stubbornness – or maybe perseverance would be a better word, is respectable only in certain situations.

The one thing I have to take issue with is the notion that lots of “scammy internet marketers” are “making hundreds of thousands of dollars pushing worthless diet pills.” The internet makes it seem like everyone is doing it, but most internet marketers are part of just-as-scammy multi-level marketing schemes and don’t make much money at all.

More relevant to your situation: I recently read something similar about young technomads who are fulltiming, and how, while the internet makes it seem like they are everywhere, they rarely run into other on the road. (Slightly different phenomenon, but similar idea.)


Tyler Tervooren
Feb 10th, 2010 @ 11:33 am

I suppose it depends on what the guy’s goal was, but from my perspective, he didn’t really win…

If he’s still calling her after she broke up with him, then obviously he didn’t meet his goal.

Then again, maybe she’ll eventually pick up the phone and they’ll be back together again…until they aren’t.

And the vicious cycle continues.

Feb 10th, 2010 @ 11:46 am

Hey Tynan,

It seems that the stubbornness in this guys case did not win him anything at all. He basically forced himself into a situation where he wasn’t necessarily wanted or appreciated, and now he’s going through even more pain throughout the rejection.

Had he had the tact to realize that there was no connection right away, and walked away, he wouldn’t be thinking about this girl anymore. However, now he’s really hurt, trying to get her back, trying to figure out what went wrong — nothing went wrong, it wasn’t there all along.

Feb 10th, 2010 @ 12:25 pm

Good call. Once in a while we need to hear this.

Feb 10th, 2010 @ 12:32 pm

That kind of persistence may have gotten him that girlfriend but it’s sad she didn’t even like him… not really a relationship that will make any of them happy or enrich her life experience! It also says something about the girl… I am not judging but that would be a turnoff for me.

I think persistence is a very important quality for being successful in business or dating but like you said… if you overdo it you will become a stalker or a scammer.

When you go after every customer totally hardcore you will get much more pissed of people asking for refunds and talking crap (if your product is mediocre). You can ignore those bad customers and invest your time in other marketing avenues.

This means you can be persistent and not be a scammer. Selling Acai Berry pills is bad karma because you know it will not work for those people!

By the way, a few weeks ago I saw your video presentation on the mindset of a professional gambler and that changed my mindset a lot. It literally lowered my stress levels of my business and personal life! Thanks for the powerful message!


Kevin C
Feb 10th, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

@ Alex Shalman

I’ve got to say, while this guy isn’t going the way I would, that doesn’t mean he’s going through pain. He might have a couple girls he is calling, this might just be one of them. Maybe not, just a thought.

Being reminded about the gambling conference, good stuff :). BTW, Tynan, you’ve got to come out to New York Binghamton sometime! If you can make it, I can try and get Binghamton to book a hall for you.


A Nonymous
Feb 10th, 2010 @ 5:28 pm

I agree.
However it’s also true that winners are those that write history.

Feb 10th, 2010 @ 7:03 pm

i loved this post, especially the ambivalence. Being overtly persistant is a way to get what you want, but that path can be quite ugly, effective but without tact.


Johnny B
Feb 10th, 2010 @ 8:22 pm

I agree with you that this guy did not reach his personal goal with this girl. Although that “goal” may have changed over the course of their relationship. It may be sexual at first, but then it may have become one of self esteem and self desirability in other’s eye. Either way, I appreciate persistence in a noble goal. Based on the story, however, I am afraid that this may not have been the case…

Feb 11th, 2010 @ 3:51 pm

that’s crazy. Almost stalker-like. I guess he ended up winning though

Feb 11th, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

I was waiting for the, “then I had sex with him, just so he’d stop pestering me.” part. He could have got there. Good stuff man.


anonymous
Feb 14th, 2010 @ 12:50 pm

everyone is taking her words way too seriously. she probably did like the guy initially, until she didn’t, at which point she backward rationalized that she didn’t ever really like him and only let him move things forward because he was so persistent.

this post was lame. an excuse not to face reality as it is because of some bullshit principles no one cares about. at the end of the day you either win or lose. if people are stupid enough to voluntarily give you money for shady weight loss pills (or whatever it is) then why wouldn’t you take their money? it’s not the job of a business to tell people what they should want, it’s to give them what they do want as evidenced by what they’re willing to spend their money on.

Feb 14th, 2010 @ 1:12 pm

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Dave H
Feb 14th, 2010 @ 4:06 pm

Try combining persistence (when neccessary) and tact. Like if she flakes for a legit reason, wait 2-3 weeks and get back in touch.


That Dude With The Violin
Feb 17th, 2010 @ 6:34 pm

Usually love your blog, but your posts haven’t been very inspiring, or inspired, lately. Just looks like you’re restating what you’ve already said in old posts. Working on a new project that precludes you from having new stuff to write about? :P

Also, I liked it more when you were doing the “one post a day” thingie. These last posts look like they’ve had more thought behind them, but aren’t really that much better because of it.

Hope the feedback helps!


Tynan
Feb 17th, 2010 @ 6:38 pm

@Violin Thanks, I agree with you. I have two big projects I’m working on, so my focus hasn’t been the blog. I do have one really good post coming up, but I need to make some video for it.

Tynan

Feb 22nd, 2010 @ 10:50 am

Great post !
It makes me realize that each time I jeopardized my values, it turned bad ..whether I achieved my ends or not ;)

The point is to know when to persist and when to move on without going insane.

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