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EPSON DSC Picture Despite never once suggesting that I am some sort of authority on making money, the number one question I get is an expanded form of, "I have a job. I want to do whatever I want. How should I make money?" So today I’m going to answer this question. My answer will probably not be very satisfying, as the short answer is "I have no idea", and I’m primarily writing this to link to when people send me emails asking about how to make money.

No one is going to tell you an easy way to make money

In the beginning days of my gambling thing, it was very easy to make money. The system was basically foolproof and anyone with a credit card could make a good yearly income. I wasn’t making money through any sort of skill, I was essentially exploiting a loophole. But here’s the thing about loopholes: no one is going to tell you how to do them, especially not someone you don’t really know personally. Because if too many people find out about a loophole, it closes. So if you want to make "easy money", you’re probably going to have to stumble upon it yourself. If someone IS trying to share a loophole with you (especially aggressively, by email) it’s probably a scam like a HYIP or a Forex trading scheme.

Most of the people who were gambling like I was now play poker. You can play poker online or in casinos and make six figures a year. But it’s not a loophole, so it’s okay to tell everyone. The barrier to entry is a few years of exhaustive practice, thousands of dollars to lose while learning, and the ability to sustain that lifestyle while you struggle to break even.

You should probably do something you like to do

As someone whose income has oscillated in the past 10 years by a factor of 10 or so, I can tell you that by far the most important factor in terms of life satisfaction is that you’re doing something you enjoy doing. For me that’s mostly writing books, working on my site, and programming. If you hate, or are just ambivalent, about these things, they’re probably not for you. I would rather make $40,000 a year doing something I love than $400,000 a year doing something I hate. Your daily life will affect your happiness a lot more than your bankroll will, assuming you make enough to cover the basics.

This rule alone makes it impossible for me to offer any sort of meaningful career advice to anyone other than my close friends. I don’t know what you love to do, and I’m not going to suggest anything you don’t love.

Whatever you do, don’t get a real job

This goes hand in hand with #2, but I’m separating it out because it’s something I feel pretty strongly about. If you’re writing me for advice, it probably has something to do with you subscribing to my ideas about the importance of freedom and travel. Jobs don’t give you freedom or let you travel (much). So if you want my heavily-influenced-by-my-own-experience advice, don’t get a job.

The Key to My Lifestyle is NOT on the Earning Side

I can live life like I do because I’ve mostly divorced myself from materialism and spending money. I don’t buy things I can’t afford, and I don’t buy things I can barely afford. I buy things that I can easily afford. When I bought my RV in cash, it only used up about half of my cash reserves. The reason I had those cash reserves were because of a many-year-long pattern of spending significantly less than I could afford to spend. Money is worth a lot more to me in the bank because it is then a big chunk of freedom. Once I buy something with it, it reduces my freedom.

Some people think I’m really rich, and others think I’m really poor. That’s because I have the best of everything I want, and pretty much nothing else. That’s intentional.

I’m particularly cautious about monthly costs. My only fixed monthly costs are $18 for cell phone and internet (it was a loophole, you can’t get that deal now), $109 for a spa membership (hey, I need to shower everyday and gym showers suck), around $40/month for my server and accompanying services that run this site, $50 for cryonics related stuff, and $30 for RV insurance. That’s $227. Most people spend at least five to ten times that on rent, cable, phones, and junk like that.

So, if you want a lifestyle that looks like mine…

My advice is to RIGHT NOW cut your expenses to the bare minimum. In fact, cut them to as close as zero as possible. Cancel everything that doesn’t have a termination fee, sell everything you own, and live at your parents’ house for a couple months. That’s how you find out what you actually need and want. I found out by selling everything and traveling around out of a 28L backpack. I discovered that I needed even less than I thought, and now I’m looking for a smaller backpack.

Once you find out the bare minimum of what you need to be happy (hint: most people who have tried this are HAPPIER with less stuff. It removes a lot of stress), then start thinking about how to move from working a job to living a life.

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Next post: How to write a book

Gear post STILL coming soon. Todd and I are looking at smaller backpacks because I’ve downsized significantly since last time. I’m really excited to share all the stuff I’ve found, but I’m hoarding it for one big post that will blow your GD mind.

I’m getting into this two posts a week thing… seems to be the right balance for the site. Thanks for all the great comments recently… I read them all on my phone, but don’t do a good job of remembering to reply to them.

Bonus points if you know what the picture is of…


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Aug 13th, 2010 @ 10:10 am

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Aug 13th, 2010 @ 10:28 am

But – you would still have a lot more fun making 400,000 a year doing something that you love than making 40,000 a year doing something you love ; ).

And I really think that’s a very manageable possibility, given you’re determined to make the money and willing to put in the loving effort. For most passions, at the least. Maybe you could start a nomadic cleaning business if you really loved being a janitor, but I don’t know how viable that option is.

Conjecture. I’ll find out how well I can prove my convictions through example in a few years.

Aug 13th, 2010 @ 10:42 am

To make money one must provide value. :)

Aug 13th, 2010 @ 10:59 am

Addendum – Google tells me that’s the head of a huge fat plush Totoro sold at Kiddy Land in

Tokyo. Totoro was a wood spirit in a 1988 Japanese anime film, it seems.

http://timmaughanbooks.com/2008/11/16/kiddyland-harajuku/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Neighbor_Totoro

PS – the spam filter seems to dislike double posts, but I don’t see a way to edit posts. It

would be nice if an edit post function was implemented, possibly through confirmation of

identity through an email sent to the address provided by the poster.

Also, I’m also assuming posts can’t be made on old topics, but I don’t know why.

Finally – this could just be me, but the irremovable banner that appears halfway down every

single page trying to get us to submit our email to you is extremely irritating,

particularly if we have already subscribed. At the very least a little X that would make

the banner go away permanently for each page visit…but your blog, do what you want

@Alex – No, that’s not necessarily true. Tynan didn’t provide much value by exploiting a

loophole in the gaming system. That’s only a certain mindset about a certain method of

creating money – by providing something to someone else, either as a service or a product.

Investing could be taken as another counterexample – at the most base level, yes, you are

technically providing something of value (money), but not in the sense I take you to mean.

In the investing circumstance, you’re profiting off the value provided by another. You

won’t intrinsically make money off the value you provide (money, again if you even take

that to be a valid value under the scope of the context at hand) – there’s a lot more at

play than the simple concept of value.

Same applies for a lot of other things, taking the context in broader scope. The

implication I understand from the post is that there must be something that inherently

“deserves” money that you are offering in order to get money. That’s not really true at all

- by simply providing a better business model (better communication, better organization,

better management), you can well outperform someone else providing the exact same value, or

quite possibly even something of lesser value, given that other person is terrible at

marketing their value/product/service.

You could also have the most valuable thing in your field, and be absolutely incapable of

capitalizing on it, and getting the money you “deserve”.


Bonnie
Aug 13th, 2010 @ 11:04 am

What about health insurance? Who picks up the tab if you break an arm or get appendicitis? Are you prepared for a $20K bill?


Yana
Aug 13th, 2010 @ 11:12 am

What if you have a lot of loans/debt that you need to pay off. How would one go about that and start to live that life. I’m guessing it’ll take more time but for one to just quit their job and find another way to make money seems mores stressful than the job that was bringing in money biweekly.

Aug 13th, 2010 @ 11:20 am

Tynan, great post- but i don’t think you can be rigid with “Whatever you do don’t get a real job”… I have a’real job’ and it is probably the most fun thing I can imagine doing. And i couldn’t do the fun stuff i do do without my employers giving me the opportunity, not to mention the access and facilities. Admittedly I am in the minority- but i am blessed to have my job. So perhaps it should read- “don’t get a real job- unless it’s awesome”..


Max
Aug 13th, 2010 @ 12:01 pm

Great post Tynan, and Ben I totally agree with you.


stan
Aug 13th, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

”’ this could just be me, but the irremovable banner that appears halfway down every

single page trying to get us to submit our email to you is extremely irritating”’

I second this.

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Aug 13th, 2010 @ 12:48 pm

Good one Tynan,

I smiled when I read that part about not getting a real job. While I do believe that working for a couple of years in a job where you learn a lot can be an effective compromise, it’s not a necessary one. You can move right on to doing your own thing and enjoying your freedom.

Cheers,

Aug 13th, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

There are plenty of ways to make money, what’s important to me is how I feel about them.

I have experienced all angles of money, from having more than I could spend to owning less than 25 items total and zero dollars in the bank.

My personal experience of life is that I enjoy the ‘struggle’ that comes with having less, to figure things out, to force myself to find my way.

On the flip side, money provides many wonderful options and I enjoy all that as well.

For me, it is first living my life exactly as I choose. I will let all the rest fall in to place accordingly, if there is something I want, I can figure out how to go about that. If that means generating a large amount of money, then it would be as simple as taking the steps to do so.

~Mike

PS- looking forward to next weeks article about your book writing process and I am super excited about the upcoming gear post!


A Nonymous
Aug 13th, 2010 @ 1:28 pm

I’m one of those who asked you advice about money.
It’s not because you are so rich, but because you were into gambling and dabble with entrapreneurship and you live outside the box, that’s why your opinion is worthwhile.


Nate
Aug 13th, 2010 @ 1:30 pm

That does look like my neighbor totoro- I remember watching that movie when I was 5.

Also how does a person go about finding all these loopholes? Is it a lot of time spent on the internet combined with a creative mind? http://www.everydayloopholes.com/


Tynan
Aug 13th, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

@Bonnie I’m prepared for that. I’ve also considered health insurance because I would not want to burden anyone else if it was a 100k injury (although that’s almost impossible and I could probably work a payment plan with the hospital)

@Yana If you have debt, you pay it off. Keep your job, if that’s the case, but minimize expenses and pay it off ASAP.

@Simon I agree. If you have a job that makes you happy, then obviously no need to change that.

Tynan


elai
Aug 13th, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

I ran into a bag while in thailand, the feel free roadster. It’s a 25 litre drybag backpack with a detachable laptop sleeve & zipper pocket inside (it literally clips on). Since it’s a drybag, it will float and keep your electronics and clothing dry. It also has a detachable mesh pocket up front with a normal zipper for things that need easy access but don’t need to be water proof. You might find it useful in your backpack search, I’d bet it could replace the annoyance of having to use all of those non-durable allosacks all of the time. Air compression only really works with clothing after all :)

http://www.feelfreekayak.com/products/waterproof/roadster.php

Aug 13th, 2010 @ 2:36 pm

Great post… I’m fairly minimalist, but I need to improve even more. I sometimes go on some streaks of spending.

Aug 13th, 2010 @ 5:00 pm

Great post.

I’ve done the same thing after living in Brazil for a year with one pair of jeans few t-shirts.

Now just living out of my backpack, and loving it.


Dave
Aug 13th, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

$50 for cryonics? Please post about this.

Aug 13th, 2010 @ 6:09 pm

ultra-stoked on the upcoming post. this one was great too. I’ve actually been following your advice unintentionally… living with my parents for zero expenses and becoming minimalist… so far so good!


Jim
Aug 13th, 2010 @ 7:25 pm

Great post. I’m downsizing already!

Picture – Totoro?

Aug 14th, 2010 @ 1:35 am

Like Dave, I’m curious to know more about the “cryonics” thing :)


elai
Aug 14th, 2010 @ 1:45 am

@Bonnie
Like most accidents and problems, the vast majority of them are not theatrical-quality disasters that end in huge exploding airplanes. The US is also rediciously overpriced in medical care. I’d buy a next hour ticket to mexico and save tens of thousands of dollars vs. go to a US hospital. For those disasters that are really that bad, there are cheap health insurance plans that cover that very unlikely situations like that with very high premiums.

Aug 14th, 2010 @ 5:55 am

@Stan – Hot damn, thanks. That really helped. No instructions, just clicked the button and everything disappears! Algorithmic magic.

Don’t know how viable cryonics is (haven’t looked much into it – all I know from personal experience is that it works with bacteria, but don’t know how feasible it is to immerse an entire person in glycerol), but for the price, hell – why not. It’s backup plan #3. First plan is biochemical research, actually for this express purpose of deterring senescence (as a personal work objective alongside making lots of money, which is in the end simply necessary if you want to do something on a large scale). Plan #2 is unknown. Would love to read a post on cryogenic freezing


Lou
Aug 14th, 2010 @ 9:15 am

How about the $30 for RV insurance? is this all auto insurance for the vehicle?


Tynan
Aug 14th, 2010 @ 12:47 pm

Cryonics is here: tynan.net/when-i-die

Aug 14th, 2010 @ 11:34 pm

Interesting. Thanks. The concept of a continuing individual is a strange one. Can’t wrap my head around it. Without insurance, death wouldn’t mean anything – you’re dead, who cares? You certainly don’t.

With cyronics…there’s the idea that your particular sentience can be reactivated at some later date in time…but will that be you? It’ll be someone else, just as everyone else in the world is right now. Without any coordinating power, without an afterlife, objective order, etc., it’s difficult to conceptualize the continuing individual – for me, at least. How are you to know that when you go to sleep tonight, you’ll wake up tomorrow as the same person? Obviously, someone wakes up as Tynan, and thinks he’s been Tynan for his entire life…but what makes you think that sentience will be the particular one you are *right now*?

So you’ll revive Tynan a two hundred years from now, but he won’t be you. He’ll exist, and he’ll have memories of whatever the fissures didn’t destroy of everything *you* are, …but it might was well be another sentience. What does it matter to *you*? He’ll just be another person.

That’s my take on it. Minor problem of abstraction. Taken linearly with two dimensions, cryonics is a great choice.

But I’d rather take my chances with quantum immortality until I *am* rich. It’s free, and it might as well be just as good of a chance.


Joe
Aug 15th, 2010 @ 2:30 am

When I got hit by the credit card theft. I halted all my continuity plan I subscribed.

It is not funny when you got attacked by identify theft but I found this was a blessing to me. It force me to reanalyze why I buy those and I come to a new reflection that I should live my life to more of simplicity and minimalism. It is my goal to own less and to live more.

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Aug 16th, 2010 @ 3:49 pm

Ah, come on there’s no harm in getting a job to supplement your other entrepreneurial enterprises! (Rampant rationalization) Great advice here, I’m really enjoying your blog.

Aug 18th, 2010 @ 5:30 pm

Tynan – Who is your RV Insurance Carrier? I’m paying 3 times what you are! Thanks in advance.

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