In our culture going to school is given a lot of respect. Dropouts face a sharp negative stigma. They're quitters. They're losers. They'll go nowhere in life. But is this really true? How big of a factor is college on success?
Here's a list of some of the dropouts that I personally admire :
Larry Ellison (Oracle)
Almost 1 in 5 of the US Presidents including Lincoln, Washington, Jackson, and Cleveland
John D. Rockafeller
Ray Kroc (billionaire founder of McDonalds)
Every one of those people dropped out of school before graduating college. They account for 4 out of 5 of the richest people in the US.
What does college really get you anyway? For one, it's a lot of fun. I basically considered it to be like summer camp. I got to live close to a lot of cool people with few obligations (other than class, which interfered occasionally). It's also a sheep herding school. It teaches people to be obedient and subservient - deadlines are the biggest priority.
There are two distinctions I want to make. First is that there are some professions where college is not only helpful, but is necessary. You can't become a doctor, a lawyer, or an investment banker without schooling. So if your passion is for one of those professions, I'm not suggesting you drop out.
The other distinction I need to make is that "College" is not equal to "Learning". It can be, but isn't by necessity. You'd be hard pressed to find a successful individual who isn't obsessed with learning. Knowledge IS power, but school isn't the best vehicle for that knowledge.
Well, going to school can't hurt, right?
Entrepreneurs are harmed by going to school. It conforms views and does not at all reward individuality or thinking outside of the box - two essential traits for entrepreneurs.
People generally go to school from ages 18-22, or even longer. These are PRIME years. When you're young you have the luxury of taking risks. You have few responsibilities, so if you go bust you can start over easily enough. Once you grow older and have a spouse and children, you may not have that luxury. College steals some of our most valuable years.
College-mongers just LOVE the statistics, don't they? So do I.
According to the college-mongers, an average person with a Bachelor's degree will earn 900k more in a lifetime than someone who never attended high school. First of all, I believe this is faulty logic because it's considering all the people who couldn't possibly get into school (most likely because they don't have a high level of capability). This article is intended for those who have the choice. But... let's go with it anyway, since it's the closest statistic I can find.
I did the math on what a college education REALLY costs.
Here were my assumptions :
Private School - $21,235 (rising at a rate of 5.9% annually)
Public School - $5,491 (rising at a rate of 7.1% annually)
I was curious to see what would happen if the enterprising 18 year old decided to invest his money rather than spend it on college. Would he be able to close the 900k lifetime gap?
I made an excel spreadsheet and plotted it out to retirement age of 64.
The individual considering private school made up the 900k difference by the age of 41. If he waited until he was 64, his tuition would have turned into 10.7mil. For you college-monger stat people, that's almost 12 times the earnings gap. Notably, he'd be able to live pretty nicely off his nearly $1.2mil in interest he'd earn yearly.
What about the public school hopeful? Surely he couldn't make up almost a million dollars in less wages, could he? Of course.
He could reach 900k and retire ten years early at 54 and enjoy the average 108k in yearly interest for the rest of his life. If he waited until 64, his tuition money would have turned into over 2.8million, leaving him with 300k in yearly interest to scrape by on.
Then I took it a step further - Would a college goer EVER have more money saved than someone who didn't go?
To be more than fair I assumed two things. First, that the high school graduate spends 100% of his income on living expenses. Second, that the college graduate spends exactly as much as the high school graduate. In reality it would be a lot more, but I wanted to simulate them each having an equal standard of living.
I increased both salaries by 3% per year to account for inflation.
So what happened? The high school graduate who saved private school level money ALWAYS had more money than the college graduate, by at least $220k. The college graduate saved less than 1.3mil by retirement, only 12% of the high school grad.
The college graduate fared better against the high school graduate who only saved public school level tuition. By age 32, college graduate had reached the amount saved by the high school graduate. However, by age 50, the high school graduate was back in the lead and remained there. At retirement age he had more than twice what the college graduate had.
What does this all mean? It means that you need to THINK FOR YOURSELF (or follow my flow chart and let me do it for you), rather than assuming college is the right move. Personally, dropping out of college was the best move I ever made. My friend Phil has a successful business and a very happy life. My friend Elisia runs KittyRadio among other businesses, and is very happy and successful.
Unless going to college is going to teach you specific skills that you will need to follow out your passion in life, it is very likely that not going is a better option.
This sounds all fine and dandy. However not everyone that choses not to go to college will be more successful than a college graduate. Out of all of the people that I went to high school with, none of the folks that didn't go to college are even doing shit with their lives, so i find it really hard to believe that they are automatically going to make alot of money. I think your argument is valid but also blind to harsh reality. Just because you are a successful college dropout doesn't mean that everyone that reads this will be.
Also, I'm graduating this May and will making significantly more than my non-degree holding high school classmates. and i know where most of them work, they are either "street pharmacists" or they work at some restaurant with shitty hours and shitty pay. i'm def. not jealous.
I love this post.
I dropped out from college, and now I am making at least 3 millions annually. I prefer to go into restaurant business in NYC.
My bad, I didn't see the follow up.
Could we still get the blog on the common attributes of these billionaires, I'd love to read your take on it.
Though I agree with the assertion that everyone should assess whether attending college is appropriate for them, you made some significant assumptions.
First of all, I will be going off to college next year, and the expected cost for a year is 47k, significantly above your estimations. Using that, I could be very wealthy by the time I hit 64. But I don't have that money, of the 47k a year, they're giving me 40k. With tution running at just under 30k, the money I earned through scholarships is paying for 10k in living expenses.
Additionally, the college I'll be attending has an undergraduate population of ~900 - no exactly a herd animal breeding ground. Also, it is generally known for fostering outside-the-box thinking. Finally, I plan on learning a lot, not just from the university, but from the people I will be surrounded by.
I understand your point, and agree with the underlying theme that everyone should think for themselves, but your post is riddled with faulty arguments.
Your post has clearly changed the way some people think, which I commend, but are they thinking for themselves or just changing the crowd they follow?
Any chance you will discuss some other attributes these billionaires have in common? Perhaps that will clarify the point.
Seriously??? Did you quit your school because you can't even think correctly. For every Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, there are thousands of dropouts whose life become worse because they take a risky path. This is like saying: " look at this list of lottery winners, they only spent 1 $ and they become millionaires, so you should also buy the lottery ticket" . Bad idea!
Hey, I'm just 14 but I'm soon dropping out, in my country I can drop out after 10th grade first school. And right now I'm in 9th grade first school and I'm 14, so I'm probably going to drop out at 15 years old - 16 years old. Or I might be in school a little longer but I'm an entrepreneur soon to come out of hideout, I'm soon a millionaire. When I need to know something, or learn it, I'll teach myself it or look it up or ask someone.
School is what gets you ready for a job, but what if you can get a better job than a school can help you get?
Well that is where I am, I'm an entrepreneur and I'm not continuing school.
And what if you can get into just the right perfect school that teaches you only the stuff that you need to get you rich with your job? Well that's where I am, I'm just teaching myself the things I need to become a millionaire, and by the time I'm 16, I'll be as rich as hell. I'm already getting 1k paychecks spitted at me from everywhere.
i call bullshit. investing vs saving. what if the ~20k/year more the college graduate earns gets the same interest as the money the 'drop out' invested? it would be a very different story
I came across your site while I was looking for work and yes, I do feel that college as a whole is not as useful as you'd like to beleive. Mind you now, education isn't bad so long as it is pertinent and legitimate. What bothers me is that college has been taken from an institution of learning and understanding and has been deevolved into a commodity. We send hundreds of thousands of recent high school graduates each year to college, lock them up like sardines in questionable living standards, draw anywhere from $6000 - $25000 per year from each of them, and for those who actually graduate, flood the workforce with increasingly worthless degrees. If we are sending more and more of the jobs requiring college degrees out of the USA, why on earth are we trying to send more and more people to college? There are over 250000 engineers out of work in this country as we speak, some who haven't worked in thier field since 2000. If we are only creating 30000 engineering jobs per year nationally, why are we churning out ten times as many graduates in engineering? Considering that many of the other fields are in just as bad or worse condition, is this a viable solution to the rapid inflation of prices in the USA? This is probably why so many are going to college; wages have been stagnant in the USA for about a quarter century. Instead of making the appropriate sacrifices and addressing the problem head on, we turn the whole country into a giant casino! It's just like dieting; you have to make some sacrifices to lose the weight, and it won't happen if you make Burger King and KFC your buddies every other day. Hell I'm only 25 and if I could figure this out, I don't know why the older crowd can't put two and two together since they're partially responsable for the mess our country's in.
hmmm... something to think about. but i don't know how many people (i'm 18) have talked to me about college, and what a mind-blowingly awesome time it was for them, struggling to keep up but loving it at the same time. i think if you know what you want, and college would help, it should be considered.
A bunch of people e-mailed me about the Drop Out and Grow Rich article I posted yesterday. A friend of mine pointed out a few things, most importantly that I failed to give the college grad interest on his money. Fixing that (and making him pay interest if he was negative, but only after the first 4 years of college) put him very close to the high school grad with private school money. Never charging him interest for being negative got him slightly above that same person.
Then it was pointed out that the difference in earnings wasn't 900k as the college-mongers claimed. It was more like 1.3mil. I had no good data on salary increases, so I assumed the inflation rate. I guess it stands to reason that after a while job experience means more than the degree, so the gap gets smaller.
If I fudged the grad's income to equal a 900k lifetime earnings difference, the Dropout with Private School money is again the winner, but is still followed closely by the grad. If I fudge the dropout's starting income (to $29,692) to get the 900k difference, the grad still beats the dropout with public level money, but only by 300k. Also, the dropout would be beating him until age 58.
Two years ago, Peter Thiel piloted his Thiel Fellowship. It targets twenty students under the age of twenty and gives them $100,000 to drop out of college and journey to entrepreneurship. Their projects range from scientific research to educational startups. It was originally created to fight the proclaimed education bubble and to also foster innovation.
It has now been two years for it's original class of fellows, marking the end of their affiliation with the program. It's an interesting program to say the least. The concept of an education bubble is under hot debate. But, I completely understand where Peter Thiel is coming form.
He believes one goes to college for the sole purpose of getting a job, i.e. making lots of money. For those who subscribe to this belief, yes there is an education bubble. Engineering degrees at universities like the University of Texas at Austin post higher graduate salaries than many private universities whose tuition is upwards of $50,000 a year. If you believe the main purpose of life is to make money, which is by no means wrong, then yes we are in an education bubble.
I, on the other hand, do not believe that the sole goal of going to college is getting a job, despite how counter-intuitive that may sound. I do plan on going to college for the experience. But from a total-rational perspective, I do see why my purpose of investing in higher education is flawed.